United Freethinkers: January 2006

Jesus musical, I will survive!

He did survived hahaha, click here to see the clip. wmv

Black Jesus film preaches politics over religion

JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - Billed as the world's first black Jesus movie, "Son of Man" portrays Christ as a modern African revolutionary and aims to shatter the Western image of a placid savior with fair hair and blue eyes.

The South African film, which premieres on Sunday at the U.S. Sundance festival in Utah, transports the life and death of Christ from first century Palestine to a contemporary African state racked by war and poverty.Jesus is born in a shanty-town shed, a far cry from a manger in a Bethlehem stable. His mother Mary is a virgin, though feisty enough to argue with the angels.

Gun-wielding authorities fear his message of equality and he ends up hanging on a cross."We wanted to look at the gospels as if they were written by spindoctors and to strip that away and look at the truth," director Mark Dornford-May told Reuters in an interview."The truth is that Christ was born in an occupied state and preached equality at a time when that wasn't very acceptable."By portraying Jesus as a black African, Dornford-May hopes to sharpen the political context of the gospels, when Israel was under Roman occupation, and challenge Western perceptions of Christ as meek, mild and European. Read more ...

Jesus and Priest hood

George Carlin: There is no god

11 minute of Geroges idea of God and religion. You must hear this. I saw this post it on Godisforsuckers.com and I had to link to it. Click here to listen.

The Virus of Faith

Was it Dostoevsky who said "without God all is permissible." What a nonsensical notion that is, and yet it has been repeated millions of times and become a mantra for the religious in there discussions with we atheists. Richard Dawkins in the final part of "Root of All Evil: The Virus of Faith" convincingly refutes that argument. It was the Nobel Prize winning physicist Steven Weinberg that said, "religion is an insult to human dignity —without it you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things it takes religion. published by onegoodmove.com click here to see the clip.

Did Jesus exist? Italian court to decide

ROME (Reuters) - Forget the U.S. debate over intelligent design versus evolution.An Italian court is tackling Jesus -- and whether the Roman Catholic Church may be breaking the law by teaching that he existed 2,000 years ago.The case pits against each other two men in their 70s, who are from the same central Italian town and even went to the same seminary school in their teenage years.The defendant, Enrico Righi, went on to become a priest writing for the parish newspaper.

The plaintiff, Luigi Cascioli, became a vocal atheist who, after years of legal wrangling, is set to get his day in court later this month."I started this lawsuit because I wanted to deal the final blow against the Church, the bearer of obscurantism and regression," Cascioli told Reuters.Cascioli says Righi, and by extension the whole Church, broke two Italian laws. The first is "Abuso di Credulita Popolare" (Abuse of Popular Belief) meant to protect people against being swindled or conned. The second crime, he says, is "Sostituzione di Persona", or impersonation."The Church constructed Christ upon the personality of John of Gamala," Cascioli claimed, referring to the 1st century Jew who fought against the Roman army.

A court in Viterbo will hear from Righi, who has yet to be indicted, at a January 27 preliminary hearing meant to determine whether the case has enough merit to go forward."In my book, The Fable of Christ, I present proof Jesus did not exist as a historic figure. He must now refute this by showing proof of Christ's existence," Cascioli said. Full story ...

Why do atheists even take the time to have a discussion about God?

There are many atheist websites, blog and forum. But you don’t see any anti superman website, or none Batman believers. Why? Because we all agree that superman and batman don’t exist. So I of you are an atheist why do take the time to do such a things.For some is fear, mostly people that grownup in a religious home and after become atheist they have the fear of IF, if there is a God and am I going to hell. So it is very hard for this people to live this matter alone.

They usually do a lot of search, read books and they love debate about the matter of God and religion.They are Atheist that have actually hate against God and his believer, and usually it is a personal issue, something that happens in that passed and now they have the blind hate, this kind of people go to theist site and blog and just release the hate.They are people that don’t believe in any kind of God or higher been and they don’t even call them atheist.

Sam Harris said it clearly there is no word for some one that doesn’t believe in God. Atheist is an expression. There is no word for a none scientist, or some one who doesn’t believe in voodoo. Now I usually see my self in the first category. My mind and reason tells me there is no God, but deep inside I have been brain washed as a child, so I do have small fear or concern, “how about if I am wrong”, so I am in search, searching for the truth.Recently I have discovered that the first step to find the truth (in my case) is awareness. Been aware of who you are, where you are and what you are. I am not talking knowing what city you are in or what is your goal. I am talking about understanding your position as a living organism in the universe. How important is your existence on the earth. The author of this article I would consider same category as my self. Why some one would do such a time consuming thing. Trying to see what theist thinks and how they would respond to you as an atheist.See it that way years ago you couldn’t openly admit you are an atheist, farther more you couldn’t do anything without been Christian. But things have change, not because of the atheist and there afford to religious freedom, but because of time. Time is against religion, 2000 years later no Armageddon no second coming. There is more peace on earth than ever before. Humans have more right than ever before. People respect each other more than before. It may not feel this way but it is. And theist; especially Christian hate the idea of Peace, Love and Respect. This will not bring them closer to the Armageddon and heaven. So what they do? They glorify any negative behavior, in the media and every where else. United stated is saver than it was 70 years ago, life is better than ever, poverty is less than what is was 100 years ago. Of curse suffering and poverty still exist but not as bad as you have been told. We are going forward. I though too that this is the end, war in Iraq, problem with Iran, N. Korea and Palatines and Israeli. Poverty in Africa, hurricane and natural disaster. Viruses that kills people.But if you really look back we are doing fine. The world has seen more wars and disaster and viruses during 1500 ad that in the past 100 years.Back to the article, everyone believed that earth was flat, and even after discovering it was not no one want it to accept it. But now if you say earth is flat they think you are crazy. As an atheist I am not here to show you there is no GOD, all I want is for you to see that a live without God can be very happy full live. All I need to show this is bottle of aged red wine. Nice quit area, and your full attention. But first you have to be aware of who and what you are. And you have to understand that you are going around the sun and not vise versa. You can visit my site if you have any comments. This is first time I came across of this site. Good job I will link to you site.

Utah Theater Cancels 'Brokeback Mountain

SALT LAKE CITY - A movie theater owned by Utah Jazz owner Larry Miller abruptly changed its screening plans and decided not to show the film "Brokeback Mountain." The film, an R-rated Western gay romance story, was supposed to open Friday at the Megaplex at Jordan Commons in Sandy, a suburb of Salt Lake City. Instead it was pulled from the schedule. read more ... on Yahoo news .

here are some comments poeple left:

Just other way the mormons try to control people. Now they are deciding what a paying movie partons see or doesn't see. Nobody is forcing anyone to see this film. They don't like homosexaulity then they don't have to see it. The movies aren't run by the church. Open your eyes mormons and stop letting these pig headed horrible awful men control you. It just a movie. Just like the mormon church is a man made church controlled by a bunch of bigots.

This movie is playing at other places in Utah and they are having a big turn out. Larry Miller is the one losing out. I for one will boycott anything he is tied to. At the same time he would not run Brokeback Mountain. He was showig about 4 other R movies. Wake up Larry and Gale this is our City also. There are gays in Utah and I do not see them going away.

its called ignorance. Like some other religions mormons create a "BOX" of reality. And they all live in that box. And they tell their members that others will tell them that they are foolish, but to remain faithful because jesus was mocked too. LOL .. you get the idea. There is no point arguing with a lost soul mormon cuz they've been brainwashed into believing they are already on the bus to heaven. But the interesting part here is that those mormons are always the first to cast judgement on everyone else. Guess they are not christian after all. I think christ said "judge not that ye be not judged" LMAO Stupid hicks

I personaly think this is bullshit, Larry is going way to far, it is his business and yes he can do what ever he wants, but this kind of censorship you see in Iran and China, I hope the gay community do Boycott him, and oh boy Salt Lake City has alot of gay people. I am not gay and I may go see the movie may not, but I hate to be told what i can watch and can't watch. Oh since this is my site I can also say what I want, so here is my response to Larry H Miller

GO FUCK YOUR SELF
sorry for the language but sometime this is the best way to express your self.

The God Who Wasn't There 2005

Did Jesus exist? This film starts with that question, then goes on to examine Christianity as a whole. One of the best documentaries I have seen in a long time relating to the true nature of Christianity, and Jesus Christ. History has shown that it can be a very significant mistake to simply accept 'facts' which someone (or society) tells you to be truth, without an honest effort to determine whether or not it is based upon reality. The film explores the birth of Christianity, and OTHER possible HUMAN scenarios of how the current bible came to be--- instead of some supernatural series of events (which the majority of Christians unknowingly accept).No matter who you are, you should definitely check this movie out. Even if you are not a Christian, it shows how historical documents can easily be distorted into something they are not- and in this case, possibly form an entire religion around.Great Movie, I wish there were more like it !

you can see a clip here: window media version

Pat Robertson vs Osam Bin laden

Osam: everyone goes to hell exept muslims
Robertson: everone goes to hell exept his followers
Osam: Thinks God is on his side
Robertson: Says:"God punishes everyone that is not on his side"
Osam: Killing a none muslim is God's work
Robertson: assassinating an infiedel is cheaper than going to war
Osama/Robertson: Both promote hate in there own way

Pat Robertson; here we go again

(CNN) -- Television evangelist Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, which Robertson opposed.
"He was dividing God's land, and I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the [European Union], the United Nations or the United States of America,'" Robertson told viewers of his long-running television show, "The 700 Club.""God says, 'This land belongs to me, and you'd better leave it alone,'" he said.Robertson's show airs on the

ABC Family cable network and claims about 1 million viewers daily.read more ....

Is religion the root of all evil?

Professor Richard Dawkins06 January 2006 Known as ‘ Darwin’s Rottweiler’, Professor Richard Dawkins relishes controversy. In his new TV series he explains how religion is a form of abuse – and why God is man’s most destructive invention ++ Why do you believe in your God? Because he talks to you inside your head?
The Yorkshire Ripper claimed his murders were ordered by JesusImagine, sang John Lennon, a world with no religion. Imagine no suicide bombers, no 9/11, no 7/7, no Crusades, no witch-hunts, no Gunpowder Plot, no Kashmir dispute, no Indian partition, no Israel/Palestine war, no Serb/Croat/Muslim massacres, no Northern Ireland “troubles”.
Imagine no Taliban to blow up ancient statues, no public beheadings of blasphemers, no flogging of female skin for the crime of showing an inch of it. Imagine no persecutions of the Jews – no Jews to persecute indeed, for, without religious taboos against marrying out, the Diaspora would long ago have merged into Europe.Hitler invoked “My feelings as a Christian” to justify his anti-Semitism, and he wrote in Mein Kampf: “I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” Nevertheless, most such atrocities are not directly motivated by religion. IRA gunmen didn’t kill Protestants (or vice versa) over disagreements about transubstantiation or such theological niceties. The motive was more likely to be tribal vengeance.
One of “them” killed one of “us”. “They” drove “our” great-grandfathers out of ancestral lands.Grievances are economic and political, not religious; and vendettas stretch “unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me”.
Quoting Exodus reminds me, incidentally, that humanists prefer Gandhi’s version: “An eye for an eye make the whole world blind.” read the article ...

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Sunday, January 22, 2006