United Freethinkers

Logic of after life

(1) If there is justice in this life, then no afterlife is necessary.
(2) But if there is no justice in this life, then one has no reason to believe that God is just.
(3) However, if one has no reason to believe that God is just, then we have no reason to believe He will provide us with an afterlife.
(4) So, either no afterlife is needed, or else we have no reason to think God will provide one.

The God that everyone believe in is not just, loving. As much as every one defends him, he doesn't defend his childern. This is the only chance you get. Live every day as it would be your last and stop lying to your self about afterlife. There is not afterlife.

posted by Filip at 5:31 PM | 0 comment(s)

Qur'an Vs. Science

2:222 They question thee (O Muhammed) concerning menstruation. Say: It is an illness so let women alone at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you. Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanliness.

23:12 Verily we created man from a product of wet earth (loam).
23:13 Then placed him (as a drop of seed) in a safe lodging;
23:14 Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little clot bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creature. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators! -

18:86 speak of the sun setting in a black sea. Until when he reached THE PLACE WHERE THE SUN SET, he found IT GOING DOWN INTO a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit… Until when he reached the land of the rising of the sun, he found IT RISING on a people to whom We had given no shelter from It; Surah

18:86, 90 - In the eleventh verse of Surat az-Zukhruf, rain is defined as water sent down in due measure. The verse is as follows: "And He who sends down (from time to time) water from the sky in due measure, and We raise to life therewith a land that is dead. Even so will you be raised (from the dead) (Surat az -Zukhruf, 11)" We send down pure water from the sky. That with it We may give life to a dead land, and slake the thirst of things We have created,- cattle and men in great numbers. Surat al-Furqan, 48- 49)Salts that fall with rain are small examples of some fertilizers (calcium, magnesium, potassium etc.) used for increasing fertility. The heavy metals found in these types of aerosols, on the other hand, are other elements that increase fertility in the development and production of plants. Forests also develop and are fed with the help of these sea-originated aerosols.

In this way, 150 million tons of fertilizer falls on the total surface of lands every year. If there was not a natural fertilization like this, there would be very little vegetation on the earth, and the ecological balance would be damaged.

What is more interesting is that this truth, which could only be discovered by modern science, was informed by Allah in the Qur'an centuries ago.

Do they not look at the birds, held poised in the midst of (the air and) the sky?Nothing holds them up but (the power of) God.Verily in this are signs for those who believe. Surah 16:79

"The author of the Qur'an could easily have said:

Do they not look at the birds, held poised in the midst of (the air and) the sky?
Although you cannot fly, God created birds in a special form so that the air can carry them.
The air carries the birds like the water carries your ships.Verily in this are signs for those who believe.

I add one more thing Muhammad's False Prophecies
On the Roman Conquest of Persia

30:2-4: "The Roman Empire has been defeated - in a land close by: But they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious - within a few years." As the prophecy stated the Byzantines did become victorious over the Persians who had at first defeated them. Yet there are fundamental problems with this alleged prophecy: According to Yusuf Ali the Arabic word for "a few years," Bidh'un, signifies a period of three to nine years; yet according to the historical records the victory did not come until nearly fourteen years later. The Persians defeated the Byzantines and captured Jerusalem at about A.D. 614 or 615. The Byzantine counter-offensive did not begin until A.D. 622 and the victory was not complete until A.D. 628, making it a period between thirteen to fourteen years, not "a few years" alluded to in the Quran.

posted by Filip at 3:31 PM | 0 comment(s)

The image to the left is a view of Mecca from space. I guess as they’re passing over it, they just need to bow down.

posted by Filip at 3:27 PM | 0 comment(s)

How will their Muslim astronauts pray?

It seems that Malaysia’s space problem is facing a serious roadblock in their attempts to go into space: how will their Muslim astronauts pray? After all, when floating in space, how does one know which direction is east so that he or she could bow towards Mecca? Obviously, this is an issue much stickier than any issues of scientific discovery. Furthermore, there is a concern regarding the rationing of water and the need for the astronauts to perform their daily ablutions. After all, what could be more important than ritual washing in a zero gravity environment? Malaysia is actually hosting a two day conference to discuss these pressing issues.
You know, it’s funny that these problems aren’t accounted for in Muslim holy scripture. It’s almost as if science can provide possibilities that religion isn’t equipped to deal with. I guess if the world was run only be religious principles we wouldn’t have to worry about how to deal with things like space travel becuase such things wouldn’t be possible, along with sanitation, healthcare, transportation, adequate food production, lifespans past thirty…

Source: gods4suckers.com

posted by Filip at 3:26 PM | 0 comment(s)

Here is my honest thought about religion and GOD

The idea of GOD and the creation can be and is a wonderful idea. In a world like ours we need GOD; we need the fear and the reward of GOD. With God things just make more sense. There is hope and light in the darkness. A drop of water in the dessert, a kind of warm feeling in our heart. This is what have been said and repeated over and over. But God is also a powerful tool of control, a perfect investment for wealth and politic. For many years religious people where able to maintain this power and wealth with minimal knowledge. Mostly they have enabled the mass majority to not gain knowledge, and know one would dare to question the Pope, Imam or a Rabbi. The world was flat as long as the Churches want it to be. And if anyone said it different they would be hanged. We now know that the world is not flat. Despite wide availability of scientific knowledge at present there are still some who believe that Earth is flat. (There is even Flat Earth society in the USA, members of which regard to spherical satellite images of Earth as aberrations). Between 1993 and 1995, various newspapers and magazines published accounts of a modern Islamic cleric, Ibn Baz, the former Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, who is said to have claimed that "the earth is flat and that anyone who denies this is considered an unbeliever”. But with the time we have learned more about our universe and able to share it with the whole world. We have learned to see the earth in a total different view. Science has teaches us a lot. We are able to do the research our self. You can’t just sell the idea of a flat earth and 6 days creation, and GOD as it center point anymore. So to keep GOD, you need faith. Pure and simple fact of faith. You can't prove that there is GOD, and right now (2006) you can either. Years ago God was the center point of Human moral and less as a personal spiritual being. You couldn't get into the heaven without the Popes blessing and the Imams key. But now days GOD is more or less seen as personal hope, Goal, power, Love, harmony. GOD is becoming personal; hundred years ago you couldn't talk to GOD, you where not worthy, "he wouldn’t listen to you", they would tell you. But now days you don't need your Imam blessing, your bishops permit. It is you and GOD. Now days you hear some one saying that if you don't believe in GOD you are disconnected from the world. But in my opinion this is what GOD does. The idea of GOD disconnects you from the world, nature, universe and even your loved one. Are they going to share the same heaven after the dead? Is my daughter going to be present in the heaven or because she has chosen and different path and she may end up some where else? Hell perhaps. Human are created in GOD image, this make us superior to anything in the universe except GOD him self. Isn't that pretty selfish? How about all the crime that has been done in the name of GOD? How is it that with the majority of the people of the earth we have so many crime and hate? If the majority of people believe in GOD and his love how come not even half of them act according to his will? Do we really want to call our ignorance and lack of knowledge EVIL? You want to give it a name too? Lucifer, Devil, Sheytan, 666? You want to blame it on him? Is this going to make you feel better? It is not your fault is the Devil. Accept Jesus and he will fight the Devil. Now days it is not my job as an atheist to prove to you that there is no GOD, it is your job to show me some kind of evidence. I will not buy the idea of Adam and Eve living side by side with dinosaurs, and the 6 days creation. I can’t just say; because I don’t have the answers, so there must be a GOD. I have evolved to a more intelligent being and blind faith is just not enough anymore. But there is also the question of moral. A God less world has no morals. (Definition: relating to principles of right and wrong). Do we really need God to tell us what is right and wrong? You don’t kill, steal, you don’t because of your believe in God or you know that the society will not tolerate this kind of behavior. Moral is also very relative. It is against the western moral for men to marry a 12 years old girl, but in some Arabic countries this act is absolutely ok. In US just watch MTV and you will see show that the Arabs would call pure work of evil. What is moral for one man is not for the other. So do we do thing based on moral or the laws of that society? They are basic laws that we follow, based on our instinct, but even animal do so. No aggressive lion will just go on a rampage and kill every other animal, for no reason. Is it moral or is a basic instinct? The Brazilian Piranha is one of the most vicious animals out there but even they don’t kill each other. Is it moral? Now we can say that moral is what would benefit your survival. You can not survive as a single person so you have to say your survival as a team. Your morals have to match the morals of others, you have to create a law that both respect and accept. And live according to it. So we need laws more than morals. When we respect the laws, moral and law become on entity. So we don’t need God to support our morals. Religion want you to believe that we need God as the center of moral being, to survive otherwise the world would be in chaos, animals don’t believe in God, so they don’t have moral, and there is no chaos. Actually everything but humans has perfect harmony. Humans are they one that interrupt this harmony. So I don’t need God to know that world is round, I don’t need him for my moral support neither happiness. I have the love of my wife and children, there love give me hope, there support give me peace and because of this I have a goal. With hard work I will have must of the thing I need. And if I live my life according to my principal in dead they will talk of me as a honest, respectful man. I will respect my fellow man as I want they do the same. I will protect my principal, since I owe this to my children and loved one. I will respect the law, as this is the way to live a peaceful life. I will face pain with open arm, and I understand that it is part of life. I will welcome dead when time is right, as I will know I have lived a full live. I will teach my children the same value and principal. If there is God and he doesn’t like they way I live, he should made me a fish. So why do I need God?

posted by Filip at 4:54 PM | 0 comment(s)